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 Homology Illustration Came Out Great! 
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Post Homology Illustration Came Out Great!
I just finished writing a program that draws gene homologs!
These are genes that exist in more than one species.
Even though they mutated they retained their function.

Shown below each creature are its chromosomes drawn end to end.
The red lines show where one gene is found in the chromosome of another.

LOOK HOW MANY OF THEM THERE ARE!
And there are more I could have drawn in but it's already so populated it's crazy!!

Each line is strong evidence for evolution. No way Creationists are going to refute all these!

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Gary,

Most of the time, I don't understand what the heck you're talking about (since I'm not expert in, er, whatever you have to know to do things like this), but your enthusiasm is infectious! :D


Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:32 pm
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Thanks again Liz!

Another way to word it is this shows evolution moving through the animal kingdom.

It's in part based on the data from the "Human Genome Project" along with the genomes of other animals.

I have been thinking of making a 22x34 inch poster of it for science classrooms.
This is the rough draft to see what it might look like.


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But the lines aren't exactly parallel, so evolution must be wrong. (Don't ask me to explain it - it just sounded good.)

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ToSeek wrote:
But the lines aren't exactly parallel, so evolution must be wrong. (Don't ask me to explain it - it just sounded good.)


Not only that, but did you notice all the gaps! Look at all the white spots!

Jeez! What a flimsy "theory"!

;)


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Pretty cool Gary. I'm curious though: did you consider mitochondrial DNA as another chromosome? If not, your human seems to have an extra chromosome.

I would like to point out this image graphically displays the idea that humans in the course of evolution had two chromosomes fused, giving them one less in the final chromosome count compared to chimps.

You can also see that very little shuffling of gene order has occured between humans and chimps compared to that between dogs and chimps for instance. Relatively less shuffling has occured between rats and mice as well. And, look at the sea of red between fruit flys and chickens, this indicates lots of shuffling.

All of this would be expected from an evolutionary perspective, but there is no indication of intelligence in this shuffling of gene order.


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Thanks Bryan!

And you sure know your chromosomes! It does include the mitochondria. That would actually not be a chromosome, be a plasmid. I'll have to remember to mention that. There is data that should connect them too but I omitted much of the data, to for now show only what was listed in the database as a "Gene". Is also RNA and more that I could show. I was also going to label each one but it came out so overwhelmed by lines I'm not sure what to do now. Maybe on a 22x34 poster with thin lines it will look better but I'm not sure if that would be worthwhile, cost some money to make the plates for the press and paper. Going 11x17 would be much cheaper. Might have to take a look at what that would look like.

I'm still not sure why the chimpanzee gene where the fusion took place was listed in MapView included as a vacant space in the numbering, as if the gene that fused to it to make humans was given an empty space to be inserted into. Can see the space in the illustration as the only piece of chromosome not buried by lines. I'm not sure what to do about that so I just left it there. Also need to title it. I have white space on top but am not sure what to call it. Been so busy working lately there has not been much time to think about it!

I was also thinking about making the shuffling easier to see by trying to reorder some of the chromosomes that appear to be out of place but no matter what I do it will never line up as well as human/chimp does. That is definitely great visual evidence for our being closely related.

One thing for sure is there are many things I can do with the illustration. And arguing that the "designer" would have done that too (already had that happen in another forum) is saying that the "designer" uses "descent with modification", because that's what the lines are showing. I'm now obliged to show sow some of the actual genes shown in the illustration. Oh boy did I commit myself to a lot of work again!


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rmadison wrote:
ToSeek wrote:
But the lines aren't exactly parallel, so evolution must be wrong. (Don't ask me to explain it - it just sounded good.)


Not only that, but did you notice all the gaps! Look at all the white spots!

Jeez! What a flimsy "theory"!

;)


No problem! I can fix that!

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At the current rate I'll have the rest of the gaps filled by morning!


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