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I heard on NPR a while back that H1276 passed committee. Anyone have info on where it is at currently?


Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:16 pm
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Here's the latest from NCSE, but it's from January: http://ncse.com/news/2012/01/update-fro ... uri-007107

I'm a bit surprised there isn't something more recent.

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Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:55 pm
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Genome wrote:
I heard on NPR a while back that H1276 passed committee. Anyone have info on where it is at currently?

That is exciting news to come home from work to! Thanks Genome.

In January I sent sponsor Rick Brattin a link to the model at Planet Source Code along with link to the thread for an earlier bill (Jack found news for) which was HB1227:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2062

The new bill is very short and to the point. Does not mention Intelligent Design which solved the problem that arose from trying to describe a "Biological intelligent design hypothesis" that does not really scientifically exist due to premise specifically requiring a "theory" not a "hypothesis". And the number of co-sponsors almost tripled since then!

http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bi ... B1276I.htm

I'll have to let Rick know that I like that one better.

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Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:05 pm
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Post Re: Missouri House Bill 1276
Hopefully, when there is lobbying reform and election reform in effect that will take money by SuperPacs and "political intelligence" and lobbyist out of Congress completely, the reps will think twice about putting up bills based on silliness.

We can only dream.


Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:06 pm
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Jack Krebs wrote:
Here's the latest from NCSE, but it's from January: http://ncse.com/news/2012/01/update-fro ... uri-007107

I'm a bit surprised there isn't something more recent.

With bills like this one now increasing in number I have a feeling that if the NCSE is still around for another year then they're going to be kept busy. Their biggest problem now is they too only helped the Discovery Institute get a foot in the door of a market they are already set to saturate with their ready-to-go books.

Due to the length of the theory Matti (editor in chief) at Bio-Complexity who reviewed it said that should be published as a book, not a journal article, and I have to agree because that has always been my opinion too. But with the way things are going I don’t see that happening. From experience I already learned that self-learners with no title like “Ph.D.” or “Dr.” are normally rejected by major science book publishers, and you know what the theory now has to be titled. I can’t afford to self-publish, but can print all the saddle-stitched books I need at the printshop where I work, but then what do I do with them? I’m not a school-book publisher. I could try going from district to district but can’t afford luxuries like a car or even a lawnmower right now, but the good news there is I won’t need one when the foreclosure mill shows up to kick us off the property for squatting.

Even though I do not even know where to begin, I’m still going to do what I can. But because of circumstances beyond my control and only setbacks from the great protectors of science who should have years ago listened to me when I told them this was going to happen, the mess made of everything is now your/their damn problem now. And I see no way to fight back because too many people including university level scientists are also steaming mad from being humiliated by vigilantes who insulted the hell out of almost everyone on the planet with their anti-theist bullying. The new bills now being introduced in the states is how they are putting the bullies in their place.


Oh, and hi Dagny! You sure have perfect timing, too...

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Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:17 pm
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freedom to teach scientific evidence regarding evolution


This could be devastating to the faith. What could be done to keep the scientific evidence out of the public arena?


Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:23 pm
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ABO wrote:
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freedom to teach scientific evidence regarding evolution


This could be devastating to the faith. What could be done to keep the scientific evidence out of the public arena?



ABO,

Don't recall if you figured out if Christians who accept evolution practice two religions and worship multiple gods?


Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:28 pm
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DagnyWener wrote:
ABO wrote:
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freedom to teach scientific evidence regarding evolution


This could be devastating to the faith. What could be done to keep the scientific evidence out of the public arena?



ABO,

Don't recall if you figured out if Christians who accept evolution practice two religions and worship multiple gods?



That is how it appears. But I'm sure you have the answer, to bad you don't give answers.


Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:43 pm
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This just came in from the Clergy Letter Project. Mike Zimmerman has good timing too!
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Creationism legislation continues to be introduced around the country. In
recent months I’ve told you about legislative initiatives in Alabama,
Indiana, Missouri and New Hampshire
. The latest attacks are now coming
from legislators in Oklahoma and Tennessee. You can read a recent column
I wrote for Huffington Post about the situation in Tennessee by going to
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-z ... 66030.html.
In every case, the bills that have been introduced threaten to do grave
damage to science education while defining religion in an incredibly
narrow manner. Our collective work fighting efforts of this sort is
unlikely to be able to end any time soon.
--
Michael Zimmerman
Founder and Executive Director
The Clergy Letter Project
http://www.theclergyletterproject.org
mz@theclergyletterproject.org

New Hampshire too? :shock:

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