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http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2011/09/another_faith-healing_case_puts_oregon_city_parents_on_trial.html


Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:40 am
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Post Re: "Religious freedom" results in more unnecessary deaths..
Medical Malpractice has long been known to cause many thousands and thousands more deaths than any so called "religious freedom" has done.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

And yet, doctors almost never get prosecuted for that.


Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:16 pm
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Car accidents has long been known to cause many thousands and thousands more deaths than any so called "religious freedom" has done.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ ... ities.html

And yet, automakers almost never get prosecuted for that.


Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:48 pm
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Post Re: "Religious freedom" results in more unnecessary deaths..
Agreed. So why focus on prosecuting the religious believers?


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Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:35 am
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Post Re: "Religious freedom" results in more unnecessary deaths..
Any discussion of anything has to leave out discussion of vast amounts of other topics - one can't discuss everything at once. The opening post was about a certain topics, not either of the other two mentioned (or countless more causes of death that could be mentioned.) It was a "focus" only in that it was a specific topic being mentioned.

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Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:40 am
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Post Re: "Religious freedom" results in more unnecessary deaths..
Not really. The article points out that religious believers are prosecuted, and both I and compguy have pointed out that those responsible for thousands of other deaths almost never are.

Why is that? My own answer is that religion is being focused on in this context and others, for reasons that are not being openly stated.


Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:46 am
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Not really. The article points out that religious believers are prosecuted, and both I and compguy have pointed out that those responsible for thousands of other deaths almost never are.

Why is that? My own answer is that religion is being focused on in this context and others, for reasons that are not being openly stated.


The reason is obvious: absolute faith kills.


Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:33 am
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Post Re: "Religious freedom" results in more unnecessary deaths..
But that does not answer the question.

Medical negligence and defective autos kill far more, but those responsible are almost never prosecuted.

So, I repeat, why focus on religious believers while ignoring the examples both of us have given?


Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:24 pm
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But that does not answer the question.

Medical negligence and defective autos kill far more, but those responsible are almost never prosecuted.

So, I repeat, why focus on religious believers while ignoring the examples both of us have given?


You are free to turn a blind eye on this topic and start a new thread on automobile accidents or any other topic of your choosing. As per the news story in the opening post, this particular thread is about the dangers of faith, how faith is not a virtue.


Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:59 pm
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Post Re: "Religious freedom" results in more unnecessary deaths..
You are suggesting that believers be put on trial for their faith positions. Isn't that why you posted the article?

And, ostensibly, it is because of the deaths of the children.

So, if you want to dodge the issue of whether or not people who have been responsible for far more deaths should be put on trial, then it looks like you are focusing on the believers for religious reasons, and not because of concern for the deaths of individuals.

Why don't you just come out and admit it?

Sam Harris did.


Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:29 pm
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You are suggesting that believers be put on trial for their faith positions. Isn't that why you posted the article?

And, ostensibly, it is because of the deaths of the children.

So, if you want to dodge the issue of whether or not people who have been responsible for far more deaths should be put on trial, then it looks like you are focusing on the believers for religious reasons, and not because of concern for the deaths of individuals.

Why don't you just come out and admit it?

Sam Harris did.


There is no need to hijack this thread and turn it into another rant about medical malpractice or your hatred of atheists. This thread is about the news story in the opening post.


Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:04 pm
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Post Re: "Religious freedom" results in more unnecessary deaths..
Sure. You bet. And we know why you posted it.


Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:14 pm
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Sure. You bet. And we know why you posted it.


Of course. You know me better than me. So, let's hear it. Why did I post it?


Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:23 pm
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Because you are so concerned about children dying unecessarly.


Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:27 pm
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Because you are so concerned about children dying unecessarly.


How about discussing the article? How do you feel about faith healing? Are these people guilty or should they be allowed their "religious freedom"? Why didn't the prayers work? Is killing your kid by praying instead of using medical science murder? Is faith a virtue?


Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:44 pm
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