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Criticism vs. Intolerance
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EricB
Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:39 am Posts: 214 Location: Kansas
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 Criticism vs. Intolerance
The Atheist Ethicist has a good post on his blog, entitled Speaking vs. Acting, where he makes an excellent point about distinguishing between criticism and intolerance.
Quote: Criticizing Is Not Intolerance
I want to start this assessment by making a few comments about tolerance.
Somehow, a lot of people seem to have come to the bizarre conclusion that uttering the statement, "I think you're wrong," is an example of intolerance. Indeed, any type of criticism is now likely to draw the charge of intolerance or bigotry. Except, of course, when criticizing those who say, "I think you're wrong." These people can be legitimate criticized - by those who hold that all criticism is a form of intolerance.
This concept of intolerance is absolutely incoherent.
Or, please, allow me to put it another way – and to make my statement as plain as possible.
Criticism is NOT Intolerance I tend to agree with what he’s saying here, for the most part, that freedom of speech is essential for any civilized society, and pretty much any speech on any issue can be viewed as critical to some group or another. But, I don’t entirely agree with him in regard to what he considers to be intolerance. He states that it is the action that is intolerant. I disagree with this because I think that one can be intolerant in their words as well as their actions. It’s a subtle difference, and I can see where some people would see it as a paradox. But I think the primary difference is that even though criticism is a strong disagreement, intolerance is an absolute refusal to see, or even consider, the other side of an issue. One does not need to take any action to display their intolerance of a different group. When someone makes a sweeping generalization about some group of people, I would consider this an intolerant statement. Worthy of criticism, for sure. I think the difference between criticism and intolerance, in speech, lies in the basis of the opinion stated. If it is based on some factual observations or knowledge, or even, on one’s tastes, then it would considered criticism. But if based on some form of bigotry, for example, "all ______ are _____", then it has crossed over the line into intolerance for another group. Here’s more from the same post, in regard to science: Quote: Using the view of intolerance that equates ‘speaking out’ to ‘intolerance’ – every scientific paper is an exercise in bigotry – because every scientific paper is an instance of ‘speaking out against’ adopting competing theories. These examples clearly reduce the claim that equates “speaking out” to “intolerance” to an absurdity. Phrases like, “You are wrong,” and “That will not work,” and “YOU IDIOT! YOU ARE GOING TO GET US ALL KILLED!” are not unfailing markers of bigotry. They are perfectly legitimate expressions of opinion – even when they are used against claims like, “The earth is 6,000 years old,” or “We can eliminate the threat of hurricanes by restoring prayer in school,” and “God demands that we eliminate all stem cell research.”
And I do agree with him that calling any criticism as intolerant is getting out of hand. Freedom of speech demands that criticism be allowed. In fact, freedom of speech demands that intolerance be allowed to be spoken. So, if freedom of speech is to continue, we all need to put on thicker skins, and let people have their say. Open criticism can be a positive experience. It opens the doors to lively discussion and possible learning opportunities. And when someone does say something intolerant, it can be openly criticized without having the intolerance label reflected back on honest criticism.
_________________"Always minimize both actual and potential suffering; always maximize both actual and potential happiness."
~ Ebon Musings: The Atheism Pages ~
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rmadison
Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:19 am Posts: 877
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 Re: Criticism vs. Intolerance
EricB wrote: One does not need to take any action to display their intolerance of a different group. I disagree. I think that it is *only* by action that intolerance is manifested from thought to reality. I may hate Unie's, but if I keep that to myself, and never take any sort of anti-Unie action, or try to restrict their freedom, what is the consequence? A - None. My Unie-Intolerance would simply be a thought that existed in my head.
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| Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:53 pm |
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rmadison
Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:19 am Posts: 877
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 Re: Criticism vs. Intolerance
EricB wrote: I think the difference between criticism and intolerance, in speech, lies in the basis of the opinion stated. If it is based on some factual observations or knowledge, or even, on one’s tastes, then it would considered criticism. But if based on some form of bigotry, for example, "all ______ are _____", then it has crossed over the line into intolerance for another group.
"All generalizations are False"...including this one.
Oh, but in that case, it's true...Wait a second...
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| Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:57 pm |
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Bryan
Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:37 am Posts: 43 Location: Lenexa, Kansas
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I don't know if I agree with any of this but I'm open to the idea that I may.
You can harass a family right out of town with nothing but free speech. I mean, a burning cross is free speech. I can harass coworkers simply by looking at them in a way they perceive as inappropriate, much less what I say.
My question might be: Does harassment equate to intolerance. Seems to be a strange question with an obvious answer.
If you’re silent and intolerant then you’re still intolerant, especially when you go to cast your intolerant vote—silently.
I don’t think the argument for absolute tolerance cuts much cheese anyway.
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| Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:30 pm |
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EricB
Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:39 am Posts: 214 Location: Kansas
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I do agree with him when he states that any criticism should not automatically be called intolerance. That is ridiculous. People disagree with one another all the time. Dialogue is not possible without some disagreement and criticism. When one wants to improve themselves at some particular talent, they are wise to ask for criticism. As long as it’s constructive criticism.
Perhaps this is where the line is drawn. When criticism is not constructive or helpful, but only to demean others, would it be considered intolerant? And should it be stifled?
I suppose a lesson learned from this is that when one is criticized, don’t be too quick in proclaiming intolerance. Consider the criticism for what it’s worth. If it’s constructive, then it would be good to heed. If not, it should probably be ignored. But more likely it will be criticized in return.
Are there any criticisms that can be considered intolerant, without any action taken? I would say that there are. For example, what if I am bad-mouthing a particular group of people all the time when I’m at work, but not at that group directly? Is this intolerance? Is this harassment? I would certainly hope that anyone hearing such remarks would feel very uncomfortable and report me to management. I would also fully expect to get fired, without much recourse.
So, I guess I’m thinking that not all criticism is intolerant, and probably most of it isn’t (but I’m an optimist). And not all intolerance is active, it can be verbal as well. Where’s the cross-over line? It’s probably a fuzzy place, where no two people will fully agree on.
_________________"Always minimize both actual and potential suffering; always maximize both actual and potential happiness."
~ Ebon Musings: The Atheism Pages ~
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| Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:30 am |
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Bryan
Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:37 am Posts: 43 Location: Lenexa, Kansas
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Well, as we're taught in the workplace, harassment is determined by those who feel they are being harrassed not those who are doing it. Perhaps intolerance is the same.
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| Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:00 pm |
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Greg Myers
Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:34 pm Posts: 1210
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Can I suggest that intolerance is well, when you do not tolerate the ideas or actions of another? You are intolerant of another when you think it is not OK for them to hold their ideas or take their desired actions.
For example, you may be intolerant of the idea that it is OK to traffic in human lives (slavery). That is, if you would not even grant the possibility that being a slaver is a valid occupation, you could be said to be intolerant of that person, or that idea, or that action.
For me at least, this is the difference between criticism and intolerance - the willingness to dialogue, to find common ground, to at least agree that two people can differ and still be part of the same civil society. There are things that we are and should be intolerant about - that it is even important to be intolerant about.
Intolerance is marked by refusing to grant that an idea can be reasonably entertained, or perhaps in more extreme cases, even that the person you are dealing with deserves basic human rights, either because of the ideas they entertain or the actions they have undertaken.
As I have gained more life experience, I have become more tolerant, because I have seen a broader range of ways to live. I have also discovered more things I am intolerant of, at least in part because I did not realize what sort of things are considered inevitable.
So is the mainstream science crowd's criticism of ID intolerance? Not, to my way of thinking, if the message is "you have not proven your case, and ignorance of mechanism is not proof of God."
_________________ The sleep of reason produces monsters.
Francisco de Goya, Los Caprichos, 1799
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