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 Evolution Justifies Racism and Genocide 
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Post Re: Evolution Justifies Racism and Genocide
Oh Henry wrote:
ABO wrote:
"[The forming embryo] looks a little like a segmented worm". ..." something like the gill arches of a fish or an amphibian have become conspicuous, and there is a pronounced tail." "The face is mammalian but somewhat piglike. " "By the end of the eighth week, the face resembles a primate's, but is still not quite human." - Carl Sagan

This doesn't address evolution, either.

And it looks like a decent observation of fetal development:
Carl Sagan wrote:
-By the third week, around the time of the first missed menstrual period, the forming embryo is about 2 millimeters long and is developing various body parts. Only at this stage does it begin to be dependent on a rudimentary placenta. It looks a little like a segmented worm.
-By the end of the fourth week, it's about 5 millimeters (about 1/5 inch) long. It's recognizable now as a vertebrate, its tube-shaped heart is beginning to beat, something like the gill arches of a fish or an amphibian become conspicuous, and there is a pronounced tail. It looks rather like a newt or a tadpole. This is the end of the first month after conception.
-By the fifth week, the gross divisions of the brain can be distinguished. What will later develop into eyes are apparent, and little buds appear—on their way to becoming arms and legs.
-By the sixth week, the embryo is 13 millimeteres (about ½ inch) long. The eyes are still on the side of the head, as in most animals, and the reptilian face has connected slits where the mouth and nose eventually will be.
-By the end of the seventh week, the tail is almost gone, and sexual characteristics can be discerned (although both sexes look female). The face is mammalian but somewhat piglike.
-By the end of the eighth week, the face resembles that of a primate but is still not quite human. Most of the human body parts are present in their essentials. Some lower brain anatomy is well-developed. The fetus shows some reflex response to delicate stimulation.
-By the tenth week, the face has an unmistakably human cast. It is beginning to be possible to distinguish males from females. Nails and major bone structures are not apparent until the third month.
-By the fourth month, you can tell the face of one fetus from that of another. Quickening is most commonly felt in the fifth month. The bronchioles of the lungs do not begin developing until approximately the sixth month, the alveoli still later.


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At what stage would you feel comfortable killing one of these unborn humans and what is your favorite method.


Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:59 pm
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Oh Henry wrote:
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"The German Fuhrer...has consistently sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution." Evolution and Ethics 1947, Sir Arthur Keith p.230

The full quote is actually,
""The German Fuehrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution. He has failed, not because the theory of evolution is false, but because he has made three fatal blunders in its application."
-Sir Arthur Keith, Essays on Human Evolution, (London: Watts & Co., 1946), 210 (cf. Evolution and Ethics, (New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1947), 229.)"

In other words, Hitler and the practice of Germany DID NOT conform to the theory of evolution. Hmmmm. That's not a dishonest quote-mine, is it?


Can you explain how the three fatal blunders in the application of conforming to evolution's theory negate the intent to conform to the theory of evolution in the first place?


Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:04 pm
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Post Re: Evolution Justifies Racism and Genocide
Oh Henry wrote:
I would argue that Darwin's interpretation of the evidence of evolution (as it applied to ideas about "races") was more influenced by prevailing political and cultural ideology than the other way around.


Perhaps, but it can not be said that he did not see all races equal but rather many inferior to the white race.

Sanger followed his lead with a vengeance in her belief that there were inferior races. She writes,"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out the idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."


Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:16 pm
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Oh Henry wrote:
ABO wrote:
Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1859, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory.
—Stephen Jay Gould


Here is the full quote:
"Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1859, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory. The litany is familiar: cold, dispassionate, objective, modern science shows us that races can be ranked on a scale of superiority. If this offends Christian morality or a sentimental belief in human unity, so be it; science must be free to proclaim unpleasant truths. But the data were worthless. We never have had, and still do not have, any unambiguous data on the innate mental capacities of different human groups--a meaningless notion anyway since environments cannot be standardized. If the chorus of racist arguments did not follow a constraint of data, it must have reflected social prejudice pure and simple--anything from an a priori belief in universal progress among apolitical but chauvinistic scientists to an explicit desire to construct a rationale for imperialism."

No, that's not a dishonest quote-mine, either.




Are you suggesting the body of the paragraph dismisses the first sentence?


Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:24 pm
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Post Re: Evolution Justifies Racism and Genocide
O Henry
Here's where we are headed, Francesca Minerva says killing a newborn is little different to aborting it in the womb. She's right there is little difference. According to her it's not a real person.

Doctors should have the right to kill newborn babies because they are disabled, too expensive or simply unwanted by their mothers, http://mondaymidnitevision.blogspot.com ... -kill.html

Thanks to the belief in common ancestry with animals there is very little value to human life. One more step in the degeneration of our society.

Remember you old farts, at some point you may be disabled, too expensive or simply unwanted.


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