...by Monty Python....courtesy of a random YouTube link I stumbled onto tonight.

Give me your shoe!

That guy in the last few seconds of the scene reminds me of Gary for some reason.

Gary, why do you seem to always end up metaphorically in my mind in some Monty Python skit?

I'm not in much of a mood right now for feeding trolls. But try advancing science, instead of only advancing personal agendas.

It's better not to advance science at all than to move science backwards, while trying to advance a "personal agenda"... Don't ya think?

Besides, tis the season to poke fun at religion...

Brian, you're talking out of both sides of your moouth. If you want to stand with religious humanist everywhere and be equal with dirt, you can't be talking like this.

What you are saying is it's better not to advance science at all than to move scientific reasoning away from the cherished monkey doctrine. Now that's a "personal agenda".

It's alway the season to poke fun at the religious humanist faith, but that's you. So what's y our point?

You may have some of your relations tearing up.

I'm doing no such thing. I have never claimed in this forum to hold any alliances with humanists, athiests or any other group. I "stand" on my own, with my own belief system and I don't need to act as a sheep, looking for a shepard to lead me to salvation. What is this term "equal with dirt"? Oh and btw, I will speak as I please, thank you.



You know exactly what I'm saying. When religious ideas try to masquerade as science to accomplish their own "agendas", this moves science backwards. Leaving science alone is better than moving it backwards.



My point is that religion (especially the organized and commercialized variety), deserves to be satirized in all of it's ridiculous glory.



You have revealed that you have very little tact in making such a presumptuous comment. I suppose this is what I get for sharing something personal about my family in this forum, so I guess I made myself a good target for the tasteless sort.

No harm done though. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but my wife enjoys Monty Python as well.

Might as well keep the thread going since ABO and Gary enjoy it so much.


Pick your prophet.

Personally, I liked the last guy. He was actually spot on with his prophecy where I'm concerned. I can't find anything these days it seems (I must be getting old), and having 9 yr old boy who likes to borrow my tools doesn't help any.

Moving science backwards is produced by stopping it where you want it to stop, in the past.


At least that explains Oh Henry’s oxymoronic "A Universe From Nothing" religious video with a way of poking fun back at your religious beliefs. How philosophically pleasing is that one ey? I was about to say something like they needed to find their own universe and all that, where at least math proves that 0=1 but I did not want to be an egomaniacal religious bigot about it.

And here's my obligatory New Years response to twitty comedy, to you who seem to have a problem recognizing when someone is so strictly adhering to science your highly religious motives are standing in contrast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVWazHTunSI

For all you know I only strictly believe in what science can evidence and enjoy how this that you cannot control makes you prejudge my religious beliefs by the scientific theory I believe in because it's science. Not being against the Prophets and religion does not prove unscientific reasoning. Only shows I'm even tolerant of your religion, regardless of your believing you don't have one.

Since Intelligent Design has been thoroughly defeated in the court system (after being outed as simply religion masquerading as science), now it seems that the defenders of ID have adopted the new tactic of accusing well accepted science as just being another religion which is masquerading as real science. How original!

ABO, just because you do not have enough education to understand the mathematics of quantum electrodynamics doesn't mean it's a religion for those who do understand it.
I suppose for someone like me (a non-scientist laymen), who is struggling to understand these abstract concepts, it might seem to you that in my case (for the time being anyways until I do understand it), I guess it is a sort of "religion". Well I suppose I'll accept that to a point, because without the necessary skills in mathematics to transform it from a “belief” to a mathematical “fact”, I'll just have to “believe in it”, for now.

So for now, I'm left with the logical assumption that if the mathematics behind these ideas were all wrong, I'm sure there would literally be a mob of highly educated critics waiting to make a name for themselves by pointing out all the errors in it. Btw ABO, If you disagree with these ideas, perhaps you can point out the errors in the math for all of us. On the other hand, if you can't comprehend the math, then you have no grounds to say anything at all about it validity of any of it. For now imo, you should just keep completely silent about it - unless that is, there really is a genuine interest on your part to try and understand it.

I'm sure there are many physicists who disagree about the details of one popular theory over another. But just like any theory or great idea, eventually a consensus forms around it and it becomes distilled into a process of connected and accepted facts, which form a best explanation or interpretation of the available data.

Now if believing in that process is nothing more than a “new age religion” as you have eluded to before, then please point me to the church where it is taught and sign me up for the Sunday lecture services. I suppose a university classroom is about as close to that as we can find right now.

Wouldn't it be cool if so many of these useless, under-used, church buildings that litter up the landscape everywhere (especially here in Kansas!), could be turned into to free math and physics lecture halls, whereby every Sunday we could go and learn some math and physics, while we pray to the quantum foam..

Maybe sometime in the 2050's it might be like this. We can only hope.

ABO,

90% of the mass of your body is composed of this;

Behold....

The new face of God, let us pray.



BTW, While looking for this image, I stumbled onto this cool website. Enjoy!

Only thing that was defeated in a court system was the "ID policy" of a school board, not a theory. Only needed a scientific theory for there to be a new "ID policy" in even Dover, PA.

And for the rest of your attempt to legitimize metaphysical videos that use science to bash other religions:

viewtopic.php?p=20640#p20640

Brian

Really



Ya ya. So does this mean you're going to step back and recognize you're part of the problem with scientific fiction.




If it just a blind faith religion like the flying spaghetti monster or molecule to man evolution, I agree.



Wrong, I wasn't referring to your wife, but there are those who faithfully reverence the monkey parts which have been assigned ancestral positions with humans. Evolution is a secular religion, when bashing religion, know and be aware you are part of it.

To characterize the Krauss video Oh Henry posted as a "metaphysical video", is ridiculous. Maybe you should watch it again and pay more attention to the science. He made a few metaphysical speculations sure, but it wasn't the main point of the presentation.

But since you brought up metaphysics, I do think it's fun to speculate on such things. And let me say that it makes sense to me that for anyone to really be able to hold any kind of coherent metaphysical viewpoint, there should be a firm understanding of the real physics behind things first. Only after that, can any coherent metaphysical viewpoint be made.

Even someone like me finds it interesting to make metaphysical speculations about things, but I certainly don't consider myself any where near (and likely never will be), at the level of understanding physics of someone like Lawrence Krauss. The best I could hope to do is maybe someday, after a considerable amount of effort, at least be able to "check out the math" for myself. I think it would worth all the effort and would fun learning about it in the process.

"He was actually spot on with his prophecy where I'm concerned."

Brian, It all does make sense now. i see where you're getting your information.

Do know where my hammer is ABO?