Jacob's Trouble approaching
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MikeH
Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:31 pm Posts: 1015
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Bad news indeed. The Iranian leadership has stated that even if it should take some hits, Israel could be destroyed by a nuclear attack. So, we are all in trouble. Should the day come when Israel is hit, it won't be like in World War Two where the Jews didn't have any organized response. Worst case...they will employ The Samson Option. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
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| Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:40 pm |
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ABO
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 1568 Location: Sebring, Florida
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MikeH wrote: Bad news indeed. The Iranian leadership has stated that even if it should take some hits, Israel could be destroyed by a nuclear attack. So, we are all in trouble. Should the day come when Israel is hit, it won't be like in World War Two where the Jews didn't have any organized response. Worst case...they will employ The Samson Option. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_OptionCorrect, it's amazing how the happenings just this year seem to be moving us terrible close to such an event. There is no reason or evidence that we are not rapidly approaching the conclusion of the age. Another amazing fact is that our own little group of monkey worshipers here appear to be totally oblivious to what is going on. That alone is prophetic. Last year the Smithsonian spent a load of money on establishing the Hall of Human Origins. The curator Richard Potts stated he hoped visitors would take away, "A sense of the sacred." Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. http://cnsnews.com/node/62986 Every detail is being wrapped up. So when is all this supposed to happen. And how bad will it get. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come (Matthew 24:14). Mark 13:20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days. The gospel is being preached into every nation right now and there now exist the mechanics to eliminate all flesh. These two conditions have happened along with Israel's problems. There is good reason to think we are the end time generation. Mark12:28-29 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is near—at the doors!
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| Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:10 am |
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Brian
Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:11 pm Posts: 400
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ABO wrote: There is no reason or evidence that we are not rapidly approaching the conclusion of the age.
There is no reason or evidence that we are either. Quote: Another amazing fact is that our own little group of monkey worshipers here appear to be totally oblivious to what is going on. That alone is prophetic.
Yes, simply "amazing".. And with all of this scripture quoting and pontifical prognosticating your doing, your actually the one who is sounding like the new version of "Nostradumbass". 
_________________ "We live in a very special time: the only time when we can observationally verify that we live at a very special time!" - Lawrence Krauss
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| Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:51 am |
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Oh Henry
Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:55 am Posts: 438 Location: Washington, DC
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Oh Henry wrote: Oy.
What if I say, "Ha ha. Suck it, parliamentary democracy established in 1948 whose conventional long form name, according to the CIA fact book, is the 'State of Israel,' but whose conventional short form name is simply 'Israel.'"
Is that anti-semitic?
_________________ "Your comments here aren't based on anything other than secular reasoning and they have no merit at all." ~ ABO
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| Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:56 am |
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MikeH
Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:31 pm Posts: 1015
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_OptionThe world needs to pay attention. The Jews are not just going to go quietly This Time.
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| Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:33 pm |
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ABO
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 1568 Location: Sebring, Florida
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MikeH wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
The world needs to pay attention. The Jews are not just going to go quietly This Time. "We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under." Wow, I hadn't read that before.
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| Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:18 pm |
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ABO
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 1568 Location: Sebring, Florida
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Quote: Another amazing fact is that our own little group of monkey worshipers here appear to be totally oblivious to what is going on. That alone is prophetic.
Yes, simply "amazing This might be a little of topic here, but Brian with your vast knowledge of monkey tales which fabrication has convinced you you're the product of undirected mutation?
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| Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:26 pm |
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Oh Henry
Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:55 am Posts: 438 Location: Washington, DC
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Quote: Oh Henry wrote: Oy.
What if I say, "Ha ha. Suck it, parliamentary democracy established in 1948 whose conventional long form name, according to the CIA fact book, is the 'State of Israel,' but whose conventional short form name is simply 'Israel.'"
Is that anti-semitic? <crickets> I didn't think so.
_________________ "Your comments here aren't based on anything other than secular reasoning and they have no merit at all." ~ ABO
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| Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:38 am |
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MikeH
Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:31 pm Posts: 1015
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| Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:17 pm |
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ABO
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 1568 Location: Sebring, Florida
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Oh Henry wrote: Quote: Oh Henry wrote: Oy.
What if I say, "Ha ha. Suck it, parliamentary democracy established in 1948 whose conventional long form name, according to the CIA fact book, is the 'State of Israel,' but whose conventional short form name is simply 'Israel.'"
Is that anti-semitic? <crickets> I didn't think so. Now what kind of dufus would make such a statement who wasn't anti semitic?
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| Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:16 pm |
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Oh Henry
Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:55 am Posts: 438 Location: Washington, DC
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MikeH wrote: Examples of Anti Semitism and Anti Israel hatred... Are the two necessarily the same? Can you be critical of Israel (you know, the State, not ABO's selective interpretation) and not be anti-Israel? Is any/all criticism of Israel considered hatred? Is Israel the only nation state in the world that gets special protection from criticism, or are there others? How about Judaism? Can I criticize Judaism? What if ABO says Jews are damned to Hell... is that anti-semitic? What about this piece I quoted earlier: Quote: Is all criticism of Israel anti-Semitism? Many people, including Israeli Jews, criticize the Israeli government and other governments because they disagree with specific policies. That criticism is usually not racist. The Zionist Organization of America opposes the Israeli disengagement policy, for example. That is not anti-Semitic or racist criticism. Many Israelis and others speak out against the occupation of Palestinian territory, or Israeli religious laws, or brutality of soldiers at checkpoints. That is not anti-Semitic or racist criticism. However, "criticisms" such as charges that "the Zionists" control the United States, arguments that the Talmud is the secret Jewish blueprint for taking over the world, allegations that "the Jews" instigated the war in Iraq for the benefit of Israel, and diabolical comparisons between the extermination of European Jewry in the Holocaust and Israeli treatment of Palestinians appear very often in anti-Zionist "criticisms" of Israel. They are often accompanied by excerpts from Hitler's Mein Kampf, articles written by Holocaust - deniers and excerpts from the forged "Protocols of the Elders of Zion." These are not legitimate criticisms of Israel, but racist propaganda. http://www.zionism-israel.com/issues/antisemitism.htmlMany of the comments cited in the Horowitz article condemn Jews in general, not Israel specifically, which mark them as obviously racist as iterated above. But ABO's screeds against Muslims are no less bigoted - probably worse than anything written in the article about Jews. Why do you maintain a double standard? Why do you viciously disparage muslims then accuse me of religious hatred for telling a nation state to "suck it" for whining about inclusiveness? There's a lot of questions here and Mike will probably run away from all of them... but who knows, maybe he'll answer the least pesky one with a non-sensical rant against the Sam Harris. But my real point in asking so many questions is to demonstrate that criticism leveled against Israel is much more complex in its intent than your high-school education will comprehend. It probably deserves a little more thought than some knee-jerk accusation of anti-semitism and a subsequent defense of that accusation with a boat load of horseshit about Israel being a people, not a nation state, or that muslims are bad people too.
_________________ "Your comments here aren't based on anything other than secular reasoning and they have no merit at all." ~ ABO
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Oh Henry
Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:55 am Posts: 438 Location: Washington, DC
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ABO wrote: Now what kind of dufus would make such a statement who wasn't anti semitic? Anybody who thinks Israel is acting like a petulant toddler in the article posted by ABO in the first post. Anybody who thinks that letting people participate in peaceful international dialogue is a good thing. Anybody who is tired of listening to Israel whine about Palestinians being granted a voice in an international organization whose mission is, "to contribute to the building of peace, the eradication of poverty, sustainable development and intercultural dialogue through education, the sciences, culture, communication and information." Ha ha. Suck it, Israel.
_________________ "Your comments here aren't based on anything other than secular reasoning and they have no merit at all." ~ ABO
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| Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:12 pm |
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MikeH
Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:31 pm Posts: 1015
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| Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:57 pm |
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Jack Krebs
Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:16 pm Posts: 1547
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Good points, O'Henry.
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_________________ "I would rather live with uncertainty than believe things that are not true." (paraphrased from Feynman)
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| Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:01 pm |
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MikeH
Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:31 pm Posts: 1015
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Jack, since Israel is a Jewish state, someone who smears Israel is smearing Jews; especially when they attack Israel while ignoring the fact that a major middle eastern state which will soon have nuclear weapons is threatening to WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP. That is anti semitism in spades. Where are the Jews to go? They sat back and did little to defend themselves the last time around, and we know what happened.
That is not going to happen again.
The well known anti theist leanings of some of the posters here are simply expressing themselves in a somewhat different way.
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| Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:11 pm |
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